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Give Me Eighty Men: Women and the Myth of the Fetterman Fight (Women in the West)

Give Me Eighty Men: Women and the Myth of the Fetterman Fight (Women in the West)

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Author: Shannon D. Smith
Publisher: University of Nebraska Press
Category: Book

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Avg. Customer Rating: 3.5 out of 5 stars 2 reviews
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Media: Hardcover
Number Of Items: 1
Pages: 262
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Dimensions (in): 8.6 x 5.6 x 1.1

ISBN: 080321541X
Dewey Decimal Number: 973.81
EAN: 9780803215412
ASIN: 080321541X

Publication Date: June 1, 2008
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Product Description
“With eighty men I could ride through the entire Sioux nation.” The story of what has become popularly known as the Fetterman Fight, near Fort Phil Kearney in present-day Wyoming in 1866, is based entirely on this infamous declaration attributed to Capt. William J. Fetterman. Historical accounts cite this statement in support of the premise that bravado, vainglory, and contempt for the fort’s commander, Col. Henry B. Carrington, compelled Fetterman to disobey direct orders from Carrington and lead his men into a perfectly executed ambush by an alliance of Plains Indians.
In the aftermath of the incident, Carrington’s superiors—including generals Ulysses S. Grant and William T. Sherman—positioned Carrington as solely accountable for the “massacre” by suppressing exonerating evidence. In the face of this betrayal, Carrington’s first and second wives came to their husband’s defense by publishing books presenting his version of the deadly encounter. Although several of Fetterman’s soldiers and fellow officers disagreed with the women’s accounts, their chivalrous deference to women’s moral authority during this age of Victorian sensibilities enabled Carrington’s wives to present their story without challenge. Influenced by these early works, historians focused on Fetterman’s arrogance and ineptitude as the sole cause of the tragedy.
In Give Me Eighty Men, Shannon D. Smith reexamines the works of the two Mrs. Carringtons in the context of contemporary evidence. No longer seen as an arrogant firebrand, Fetterman emerges as an outstanding officer who respected the Plains Indians' superiority in numbers, weaponry, and battle skills. Give Me Eighty Men both challenges standard interpretations of this American myth and shows the powerful influence of female writers in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.



Customer Reviews:

4 out of 5 stars Reno Hill   June 27, 2008
I enjoyed the book, "Give Me Eighty Men" by Shannon Smith for her different outlook and new information. After visiting Fort Phil Kearny last summer, I thought I understood a great deal about Fetterman and the fort. In addition, I have over 800 volumes on the history of the American West & I suppose I grasp the events and significance of that era. (Does it sound like I'm an arrogant Fetterman?) Shannon Smith offers various new informative points. Before I read this book, I believed that Fetterman was arrogant and I was unaware of his bravery in the Civil War and his strong performance as a soldier. Right or wrong, I don't know if we will ever find the truth of these past happenings, but Shannon creates an original viewpoint that I have found interesting.

I believe that anyone intrigued by Fort Phil Kearny, Fetterman, and Carrington should read this book due to it dissimilar viewpoint which will encourage you to think about this subject in a varied manner. Shannon made me look at Fetterman and Carrington in a different way and even if Shannon is incorrect, it is still a great book.



3 out of 5 stars A mixed bag of history   June 12, 2008
 1 out of 1 found this review helpful

(Really 3.5 stars) I'm surprised no one has reviewed this book yet so I thought I'd put down some early comments. I say early because I am half way through the book (but deep enough to offer an opinion). One of the author's premises is that Fetterman is not the imbecile that history has made him out to be. From what I've read so far, she might be right or partly right. It's one of those historical details we will never truly know. The other premise is that much of the history of the short life of Fort Phil Kearny was heavily influenced by women, particularly Margaret Carrington and Frances Grummond (who later became the second Mrs. Carrington). Both women wrote books about their time at Fort Phil Kearny (no doubt with some assistance from Henry Carrington). Now I'd like to point out two errors and make one point.

1- On the top of page 29 she attributes a quote to Red Cloud that he invariably gets credited with saying at a meeting at Fort Phil Kearny. Problem is that the quote comes from Margaret Carrington's book and she didn't claim he said it. Not only that, Remi Nadeau, in a book written in 1967(!) called "Fort Laramie and the Sioux," proved that Red Cloud wasn't even present at this meeting. Even Robert Utley (in an article I found a year or two ago on the Internet) acknowledged that he was mistaken in believing that this incident ever occurred. And the foonote source she gives (a speech by Carrington called The Indian Question) doesn't even contain the quote. Again the quote is in Mrs. Carrrington's book (Absaraka) and not attributed to Red Cloud (though he keeps getting credit for it).

2- The author's method of telling the story is not chronological. From chapter to chapter and within chapters she goes forward and backward in time. The problem is that we are generally linear thinking people and when we hear a story told out of sequence we just might start to recall it in that sequence until B comes before A. Want proof? On page 81 the author tells of an incident that occurred on November 11. Then on page 85 she tells that there was a picnic on September 6 that the Bisbees did not attend and most definitely makes the point that their absence had to do with what happened on November 11. Yes, they didn't attend a social gathering for something that happened two months in the future.

3- The author tells that Henry and Margaret Carrington did not get along too well with Captain James Powell. They thought he lacked social graces, was profane and illiterate. Further down the page we learn that Powell scoffed (mocked) religion. Well, the Carringtons were card carrying bible readers. I have to wonder just how much this fact played in their opinion of him. Just a thought.

Lastly, while I know about the Fetterman battle, still I am not that well-versed in all that went on at Fort Phil Kearny during this time period, especially the crazy governmental orders and expectations. So, despite my criticisms I am learning a lot of new things, too.

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Having finished the book I will add a few more comments. As I stated earlier, Fetterman just might not be the arrogant soldier he is so often accused of being. On the other hand, the possibility exists he made a statement about a small number of soldiers being able to defeat a much larger group of Indians, a statement that came back to damage his memory after he was killed. He could have said it shortly after arriving and later changed his mind but since Carrington needed a scapegoat, whatever Fetterman said was magnified. (This is my opinion and not mentioned in the book.) In any event, the army blamed Carrington and Carrington blamed Fetterman. In the end, it was the army's fault for not supplying enough men, ammunition, horses, etc. to Carrington. Then again, as the author points out, Carrington tended to send mixed messages to the higher ups about his predicament. This is typical when one doesn't want to sound too needy or inefficient to his/her superiors. I enjoyed the last three chapters best.



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