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 enlarge | Author: Richard Rohr
Publisher: Saint Anthony Messenger Press
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Pages: 238
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ISBN: 0867166592
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Publication Date: January 15, 2008
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 Hidden Catholic dissent, revisionist Christianity June 10, 2008
8 out of 37 found this review helpful
I've reread this several times just to be sure and can say that Fr Rohr teaches against the authority of the Catholic Church, not just disagreeing with it. As far as Jesus not needing to die on the cross for our sins (the wages of sin is death so a debt had to be paid) thus is just an example free from real merit for us is unsound Christian theology. Rohr's "emerging church" is one of his own making. Spirituality is good, hence 2 stars; but his overall theme of religion is bad makes for bad exegesis. His presiding over the "commitment ceremony" of two lesbians (and subsequent rebuking by Archbishop Sheehan) is contrary to "love the sinner, hate the sin" that leads to a conversion from sin to love. Jesus is the Son of God, not just one of many archetypal holy men. There is something to St. Paul's exhortation in 1 Corinthians 11:27: "Whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner is guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord". It's not a kindness to approve sinful behavior. Jesus never talked against homo-sexuality? It was implied in the law of Moses, which Jesus said He came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. Read Rohr at your own risk.
 THINGS HIDDEN: Scripture as Spirituality (Richard Rohr) April 16, 2008
26 out of 26 found this review helpful
THINGS HIDDEN: Scripture as Spirituality, Richard Rohr (2008).
Franciscan prophet and teacher Richard Rohr is a mystic rather than a systematic theologian: indeed he believes `systematizing' theology runs the risk of doing it violence and missing the point: theology is to be experienced in a life of faith, hope and love, not organized into creeds.
Is he `evangelical'? I would say `yes' though he doesn't use the term of himself: he has an unqualified commitment to Jesus as Lord and God's special revelation of God's character. Is he `progressive'? Yes: for example he likes Marcus Borg and reads the mainline liberal biblical scholars. Is he a dogmatist/ fundamentalist? Definitely not: any exclusionary system which divides humans made in God's image into `our people' and `those [heretics] not like us' is alien to the will of God as experienced in the life and teaching of Jesus.
He writes in the Introduction: `Only when inner and outer authority come together do we have true spiritual wisdom. We have for too long insisted on outer authority alone, without any teaching of prayer, inner journey and maturing consciousness. The results for the world and for religion have been disastrous... I offer these reflections to again unite what should never have been separated: sacred Scripture and Christian spirituality.'
He quotes Eugene Ionesco with approval: `Overexplanation separates us from astonishment.' Example: the humble recipient of God's love in the Eucharist/communion, who gazes at Christ on the cross with awe and wonder and love, is far more likely to `get the point' than a theologian who organizes dogma into theories of the atonement.
Here are some representative quotes:
* `Suffering seems to be the only thing strong enough to destabilize our arrogance and our ignorance. I would define suffering... as "whenever you are not in control".'
* `If you are not trained in a trust of mystery and some degree of tolerance for ambiguity, frankly you will not proceed very far on the spiritual journey. Immature religion creates a high degree of "cognitively rigid" people. If you want to hate somebody... do it for religious reasons... do it thinking you're following some verse from the Bible. It works quite well. Your untouched egocentricity can and will use religion to feel superior and "right".'
* `It is painful but necessary to be critical of your own system, whatever it is. But do know it will never make you popular. As you know the prophets are always rejected by their own (see Luke 12:50-51)... Until you are excluded from any system, you are not able to recognize the idolatries, lies or shadow side of that system. It is the privileged "knowledge of the victim". Insiders are by nature dualistic, because they divide themselves from the so-called outsiders.'
* `Law is the thesis; it lays the ground against which the Prophets develop a positive antithesis... the Wisdom books are a synthesis and integration of the first two. Transcendance to higher levels of consciousness always means inclusion of the previous levels. Walter Brueggeman finds [a similar progression] in the Psalms: Psalms of Orientation (confirming Tradition), Psalms of Disorientation (the prophetic recognition of things not working or not being true) and Psalms of Reorientation (the Wisdom level of a new faith-synthesis). All three levels are affirmed in the Psalms, and unlike today, one or the other level is not called heretical or faithless. (Although people trapped at stage one will normally call people at the other two levels "sinners" or "heretics", which is what we see happening in the Gospels.) True transcendence always includes the previous stages and does not dismiss them.'
* `True orthodoxy ("right ideas") is important, but in the Bible orthodoxy is never defined as something that happens only in the head... Jesus consistently declares people to be saved or healed who are in right relationship with him, and he never grills them on their belief or belonging systems... I observe that the people who find God are usually people who are very serious about their quest and their questions, more so than being absolutely certain about their answers.'
* `Prayer and suffering are the two primary paths of transformation. Only people who have first lived and loved, suffered and failed, and lived and loved again, are in a position to read the Scriptures in a humble, needy, inclusive and finally fruitful way.'
* `My lifetime of studying Jesus would lead me to summarize all of his teaching inside of two prime ideas: forgiveness and inclusion.'
It's the best book I've read for a couple of years. And it's best read devotionally, in small doses...
Rowland Croucher
April 2008
Things Hidden - Scripture as Spirituality April 7, 2008
7 out of 8 found this review helpful
Highly recommended. An approach to scripture and spirituality that differs from anything I have previously read or heard in any church. This is the complete opposite of "hellfire and brimstone" preaching, and quite a refreshing change from what you may have become accustomed to hearing preached in church, regardless of your denomination. I purchased extra copies to give to family and friends.
Things Hidden April 7, 2008
3 out of 12 found this review helpful
I am reading this book along with Eckart Tolle's book A New Earth.
As a Christian I found his book over secular and yet proposing to be open to Spiritual and even Christian leanings. I believe with both books going simultaneously I can find a balance as well as garnish wisdom from the two books. Read together they keep the biblical principals that I love at the front as I increase my understanding of the problems in human spirituality and psychology.
Thought provoking, interesting, engaging book. February 17, 2008
9 out of 10 found this review helpful
This book was one of the best I have read. It lead me on a spiritual journey while it educated me in scripture. It was engaging and thought provoking. Although not an easy read it continued to draw me in a paragraph, a page and a chapter at a time. Highly recommend.
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